Tony Robbins: How To Hack Your Bank Account & Your Biology #531 – Full Episode

(dramatic issue) - [Announcer] Bulletproof Radio, a state of high performance. - [Dave] You're listening
to Bulletproof Radio with Dave Asprey. Today's cool fact of the day is about the timeless value of cacao. It turns out that classic-era Maya money in the late 600s and 700s
actually did grow on trees, at least where conditions allowed. Cacao trees grew in Tabasco,
Mexico and a few other places with humid river valleys, heavy rainfall and protection from sun and wind and the Mayan rulers at Calakmul in Mexico Tikal in Guatemala
collected annual tributes in cacao beans, not coffee beans, even though those also
grow in the same regions. Today's guest is someone
I literally look up to because he's taller than me
and for many other reasons, none other than Tony Robbins. Number one New York
Times Bestselling Author, entrepreneur, philanthropist. For more the four decades billions of people have
enjoyed his warmth, humor and just transformational power. In Tony's business events, his
personal development retreats which I've had the honor of
attending multiple times. He's the nation's number one
life and business strategist who consults and coaches some
of the world's top athletes, entertainers, Fortune 500 CEOs,
even presidents of nations. And interestingly, and you
might not know this about Tony, he's a founder and partner
in more than 30 companies, 12 of which he actively manages in a bunch of different industries including virtual reality,
major league soccer, top resorts and spas. Companies with combined
annual sales of $5 billion and today Tony's coming on the show so we can talk about his
most recent book called, Unshakeable: Your
Financial Freedom Playbook where he talks about how he
went from these incredibly scrappy stories as a young
man building his business to this very unusual
position of being able to manage a dozen companies at
that level of performance. It's just about unheard
of even in the world of successful business. So we get to pick his brain. Tony, welcome to the show. - [Tony] Thanks for having me on Dave. It's a privilege to be back with you. - [Dave] What made you,
at this point in your life where you've changed the
lives of millions of people, some of my favorite
entrepreneurs cite your work as being what lit their fire. You've already had this
personal transformation level to become, to become an expert on the financial side of things. What was your motivation for doing that? - [Tony] Well there's only a few subjects that really impact the
quality of your life in a significant way right? It's your emotions,
it's your relationships, and certainly your
finances and your career. And so I've always actually
taught these principles, fundamental principles and I've coached Paul Tudor Jones now for gosh,
24 years I believe it is now and he's one of the top
10 financial traders, literally in the history of the world and so I've learned a lot in that area and I've thought about this area but when 2008 happened,
I did extremely well because you know, you make more money when things are burning down
than when they're growing if you understand what you're doing but I was just devastated
to see the number of people around me that were hurting. I saw people that had
been incredibly successful financially just take
gigantic hits during that time in their businesses, and investments and it made me nuts and I
remember, I kept thinking, somebody's going do
something and two years later around 2010 I saw this documentary and it was really a systematic breakdown, it won the Academy Award,
but a systematic breakdown of how a small number of
people almost took down the world economy and then
the punishment we gave them was to give them more money. So by the end of this film you're either, you're either totally depressed
or you're totally pissed off depending upon your personality. I was the pissed off
type because depression doesn't change much and so
I thought, what can I do? I'm just one guy. Well, I can interview 50
of the smartest people in the world 'cause I've got access. I mean, literally the smartest people in the history of finance, Warren Buffet, Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, Paul Tudor Jones, and so I thought, if I do that I can then figure out what's
really working in the system. I can get the, I can
get an unassailable view of what it takes to succeed
and so I end up doing this 575-page monster called
Money: Master the Game. I'm really proud of it. You know, Steve Forbes, said
if there was a Pulitzer Prize for an investment book,
this would win hands down. We got huge endorsements, great impact, number one bestseller
and I fed a lot of people because I donated all the
money to Feeding America. So we fed 400 million people
in the last four years to give you an idea and we're
gonna feed a billion of them in the next six but I wrote Unshakeable because in the midst of
all this I realized, my God we have the longest bull
market in history now. We were approaching it at the time. There's going to be a correction. There's going to be a bear and if we're not smart, people are going to go right back to what they did in 2008 and they're going to get hurt again. I don't want to see that happen. I wanted to write a book that somebody could read in a weekend. Literally, a millennial who
thinks they have too much debt and they just, they don't
think there's a future. I want to show them exactly
how they can succeed. You know, and somebody on the other end. You think a Babyboomer
that thinks it's too late and show them that you can
still become financially free. And so, that's why I wrote the book. I'm really proud of it,
because it's not me. It is the works of the greatest investors in the history of the world and the only part that's
me is the psychology side, which very few people would argue that isn't my expertise the last 41 years. So it's a beautiful
combination and I found just tremendous stories of
people changing their lives as a result of this and this book also, I donated 100% of the profits, so we're going to feed
another 100 million people over the course of this. Anybody who picks up
the book for themselves, will also feed 50 families,
which I'm really excited about. - [Dave] Now you have the
book broken down into three sections and you talk about
wealth, there's a playbook. But the area that's most interesting to me is the psychology of wealth. Tony, the reason that's
interesting is that when I was 26, I made six million dollars. Which was awesome, at
the company that held Google's first servers. When I was 28, I lost it because I did not understand the psychology of wealth. - [Tony] Yep. - [Dave] What do people
do wrong when they think about wealth or when they
have emotions around wealth? What's getting in our way? - [Tony] Well, you know,
we all have a two million year old brain, right?
- Yeah. - [Tony] And that brain is not
designed to make you happy, it's designed to make you survive and it deals with money
issues like survival. You know, there's no saber tooth tiger that you got to go run from now, so now the brain worries
about life and death. Oh my God, do I have enough money? What are people thinking of me? And it has these insane reactions. So, you know part, there's a whole chapter in the book that's all
about the biases we have that show you that your
own brain is probably the biggest challenge to becoming wealthy, because you have all these conditions in your own psychology. You know, there's confirmation bias. When we believe in something,
we don't look to disprove it. We look to prove it to ourselves. Well, in investing, that's disastrous. You talk to Ray Dalio, he'll
tell you his number one thing is to find educated people who disagree with him violently and he wants to interact with them because he wants to see what they're seeing,
that he's not seeing. Because he knows he can't see it all. You know, it's our nature as human beings to think in terms of recency. Oh, this is going well now, so it's always going to go well or it's going terribly now, it's always going to go terrible. There are seasons, there
are economic seasons. And they come around every 20 years. There are cycles that are
shorter than that as well, but if you understand
that winter always comes. Some winters are long, some
are short, but they come. In other words, one of the
facts that most people don't understand around investing
that keeps them from investing is, oh my God, I don't know
when's the right time to do it. You know, the market has
been up for a long time or the market is due for a correction. Well, 5% of the time,
the market in every year, on average, 5% of the time
the market hits a new record. So, when you hear a new
record, new record, new record, it's about once a month,
to give you an idea. That's true over history, on an average. Now, sometimes you have
long periods without it, longer period with it. What people don't realize is,
there's also a correction. A correction is a technical correction from a high of 10% drop or more up to 20. Once you hit 20, it becomes a bear market. So, these corrections
happen every year since 1900 on average, every single year. Here's what's crazy,
the average correction is you lose 14% in the short term. So if you react, you're
going to lose your money, but if you stay in-- I'll give you an example, two years ago, you probably remember in January of 2016, we had the worst stock
market opening in January in the history of the stock market. Two trillion dollars melted down. You know, they went to Dabos
where all their wealthiest people in the world and
said, what do we do, you know, the market's
down 9% in January alone. You know, they asked Ray
Dalio, the greatest hedge fund investor in the history of
the world, what should we do. And he said, don't panic. There's one of these every year. You know, and we're not,
80% of those, by the way don't become bear market, 80% don't. So he said, you know, don't panic and he actually said on CNBC
in the middle of this panic, read Tony Robbins' book. He said, I did an interview
with him and I showed you exactly what to do in this situation. So, I people understand that our minds are not going to help us. We have to direct our minds
and the best way to do it is to understand that there
are cause effect relationships that create regular patterns. Just like there's seasons,
and we know the order of the seasons, we know some are
long and some are short, but they don't, you
never skip winter, right? And you know that winter isn't forever, it's followed by springtime. So, look back at 2008,
2009, the market drops 50%, people are in total
disarray, freaking out. But if you didn't freak out,
what happened in the next 12 months has happened in
every single bear market in the history of the
United States for centuries. And that it is becomes a bull market. So we went up 69% in the next
12 months right after that. If you didn't panic. Like, if you put your money in the market on the worst day, like
an hour before the crash, you're up 300% right now. So, it's like, it's just ridiculous that people don't understand. I wrote this book to
be a financial playbook for anybody to say, here's how I go from where I am, to where I want to be and here's how to get my mind, so that it's helping me
instead of hurting me. And here are the strategies of the best investors in the world. - [Dave] You talk about having buckets. What are the different buckets that people ought to be
thinking about with their money? - [Tony] Well there's
two financial decisions. One is a financial decision,
one is an investment decision, that are the most important. The first one is the most basic, and we all know it, but
not everybody does it and that is, you've
got to decide to become an owner of businesses,
not just a consumer. You don't want to just own an Apple phone, you want to own not just Apple, but you want to own the companies that are the strongest in the world and that have the opportunity
to grow at the highest. So, first you've go to decide, there's I'm going to be an investor and the only way to do that is say there's a percentage of what I earn that I'm going to set aside
to invest, no matter what. I'm going to take it off the top, I'm never going to think about it again. I'll give you an example,
Theodore Johnson, who's a UPS driver in the 50s and he never made more
than 14 thousand dollars, but a friend of his pulled him aside and said, I'm going to
make you a wealthy man. He said, we're going to
take 20% of what you earn and we're going to make
it a tax, a wealth tax. He goes, I can't give
up 20% of what I earn, I can't live on the 14
grand I got right now. He goes, listen to me,
once, if the government came in and said there's a 20% tax, you'd say I can't pay it, I
can't pay it and you'd pay it. He said, you'd adjust. He said, once you adjust,
your life will change. Well this guy never made
more than 14 grand a year, retired with 70 million
dollars, true story. - Wow.
- And he gave away 35 million while he was alive because he became an owner, not just a consumer. So, that's the first decision,
I want to answer your-- The second decision is the
one you're asking about. The most important investment decision is your asset allocation. It's a technical term in investing, but all it really means is you don't want to put all
your eggs in one basket. Any idiot knows, you got to diversify. Well, where do you diversify? Well, the first thing you've got to do is realize that some
investments are more secure. But less risky investments
that are move secure, tend to give you a lesser return. They still give you a return
and if you're willing to do things through time, that lower return is safer and will give you a great return. Then there are things that
have more risk to them. We call them the risk rove bucket. Those are the things like real estate or stocks, they can go up
unlimited number of amounts. I mean, if you invested
back in 1974 in Wal-Mart when everybody, the Wall Street Journal, everybody is saying this
guy's out of resources. And they were wrong. And you put in a thousand bucks, it's worth 25 million today. - Wow.
- If you never did a single thing, so there's
unlimited upside on that potentially, but there's
also unlimited downside. The company could go bankrupt. The real estate could be worth a lot, could be worth a little. So you have to decide, how much money do I put at low risk
environments, kind of the security bucket where it will grow
slower, but more likely. How much do I put in
the higher risk areas, where I might have a higher growth, but I also could lose it all. And that has to do with many factors, but a couple of them are, number one. How soon do you need money? If you're young and you're in your 20s, you can make a lot of
mistakes and still make up for it, because there's so much time. If you're, you know, somebody that's you know, getting five
years from retirement, then you can't afford to
take the same kinds of risks. That's number one, number two. You've got to know what
you're risk tolerance is and everybody thinks they
have great risk tolerance. But as you know, people go to my seminars and we often play games. I have a game where I'll just
suddenly say to everybody, stand up, and I'll say, make
change with other people. I reach into my pocket,
as if I'm making change. So they know what I mean by it. And then for five minutes,
while a song's playing, maybe at three minutes,
they exchange money. People reach in their
pocket and some people take out a buck and some take
out 10 and some take out 100. And this exchange happens and at the end, I just move on to the next subject. And invariably, somebody's pissed off and they raise their hand and they go, I want my money back. I say, what are you talking about. That guy's got my hundred dollar bill. I took out a hundred dollar bill, he took out a dollar, he gave me a dollar for a hundred dollar bill,
I want my money back. And I say, well first of all,
who said it was your money. Second of all, who said the game is over. And third of all, why
the hell did you give him a hundred dollars for a buck. And if you're stressed
over a hundred dollars, you're never going to
make it in investments because you're going to lose more than a hundred dollars at times. All investors lose money. So, how much, you know, what's
your real risk tolerance. Because you don't want
your investments to make you have more stress, you want to be investing so you have less stress. And then finally, the third one is, what's your access to cash flow. So you know, you and I are at a stage of our lives, we've done very well. We've got a lot of access to cash flow, we can afford to take more risks. It doesn't make or break us. But if you're in an earlier stage or a later stage and you
don't have the cash flow, you're going to have to
make decisions differently. So, are you going to do
70% security, 30% growth? Are you going to do 30% security,
you know, 70% risk growth. These are factors that are
more art than science and I encourage people to get
with a registered investment advisor, a fiduciary. It's a big word, but
most people don't realize that of the 310,000
financial professionals, of which there's 200 names for. Wealth Manager, Individual Wealth Manager, you know, Advisor. They've got all these terms,
90% of them are brokers. There's nothing wrong with a broker. The only problem is,
they're just a salesman. So they don't necessarily have the skill. They are taught what to
sell, they're incentivized to sell the things that
the company makes the most money on and these
companies are not bad. They're designed to bring the most value to the shareholder, not to the investor. And so, they're going to take care of their shareholder first. And so the way they do
that is with massive fees. So really, what we're
really talking about here is understanding, how does the system work so you can take advantage of it instead of it taking advantage of you. - [Dave] So that's covered in the book, but there's another bucket that I hear from a lot of
my millennial friends. They're saying, okay look,
I can put money in the stock market and I might make money over time, I might lose it, but
once I have an experience no one can take that away,
so I'm going to invest in the experience economy. I'm going to go on vacation, I'm going to spend on, even education. How do you balance that,
having the experiences that make a life worth living, even going to a Tony Robbins, you know, Unleash the Power Within. You know, do I invest
in that or do I invest in the stock market? How do you advise people
to balance that out? - [Tony] Well, I look at it, you know, people ask me all the time in
interviews like this, what's the greatest and what's the
worst investment you've made. It's easy to describe
the worse investment, but the best investment is always many. I asked that question to Warren Buffet and Warren Buffet says, the best
investment I ever made is you. And I said, what do you mean me? You goes, what you do. I said, what's that. He said, I went to Dale Carnegie, without that, without
my ability to influence and communicate, he goes, all my other ideas would be worthless. So, I always-- And Jim Rowen, my original teacher, used to say the greatest investment is the one in yourself and I believed it and I've done it in myself. But I also think, at the same time, that you know, you need a security bucket. A certain percentage
you're going to put that's less risk that'll grow over time. You need a growth bucket
and you need a dream bucket. And I look at the investment side and say okay look, if you're going to set aside-- You say, I'm going save 10%, 15%, 20% of what I earn and I'm
going to put it in a bucket and then decide where to invest it. That first stage is the
most important stage. Committing to making sure
that those numbers are there. But then, I look at it and
say, what's my dream bucket? What's the stuff that's
going to give me juice. Like, I know some
billionaires that literally, they cross examine their wife, still over and their kids over what they spend. They could spend a million dollars a day and never run out of money, you know, in several lifetimes, but they're
still in that tight place. They're still in the place
where they haven't really figured out how to enjoy
their life thoroughly. I believe that you create a dream bucket. In my dream buck, I put
little things and big things. Little things like tickets
to be in the front row at the, you know, the seventh
game of the NBA championships. You know, was a goal years and years ago. Now, it's a regular
experience for me, right. Or I was going to charter a
plane to go on a vacation. Now I have my own plane. So, you start with some of the small ones. Or a certain amount of money
that I could just give away. You know, I want to give away 5,000 bucks a week to people on the street. I want to give waiters
and people $200 tips. I just want to find and light people up. So I came up with all
these little fun things and then what I did is,
whenever I had a success in my growth bucket, my risk bucket, where you have the bigger returns, I put a third of it in my security bucket, so it keeps growing faster. I put a third back in, so I'm
using house money on my growth risk bucket and I put a
third in my dream bucket. Or when I had some really big hits. I take a big hit and I say,
okay I'm going to take this and I'm going to buy the plane. You know, I sold one of
my companies for a couple hundred million dollars and said, you know, I got everything I want. Well, maybe instead of chartering,
it's time to own a plane and change the quality
of my life in some way. So that was kind of dream bucket, but what goes in your
dream bucket are things that are not investments. Like even my resort in
Fiji, which now is a great investment, but in the
beginning it wasn't. You know it was just, like
when people buy antique cars and call it an investment. You're full of shit. As soon as we have a
downturn in the market, that $150,000 car will sell for 35
or 40 to somebody else, right. That's just how it works. So, you don't put investments in there. You put the things that
are going to give you life experiences that you love. They can be little things that
cost 100 bucks, 1,000 bucks. They can be bigger things. But I really believe in
having those be funded by victories, as opposed
to funding that first. When it comes to my own self-education, I don't look at that
as my investment money. I just look at that as a must. You know, I've read 700 books in the area of human development
and psychology, physiology. You know, I didn't read a book a day, but I was reading about
one every four days, because I took a speed reading class. Then I started listening
to audios like crazy. And it's just the never-ending
process of education. To me, that gives me the edge and I'm always looking for the edge. You know, the people I bump
into, same as you Dave, is always people that are usually the best in the world at what they do because they're always
looking for that edge. That's what makes them the
best, they're always hungry. Or they're somebody who's hungry because they set a new goal
or they had a big challenge. They're going through a divorce or they started a new business or they're kids are going to college and they want to decide what to do now. Now they look at their life in a new way and they want new answers. That's when people tend to come to me and think then they come to you as well. - [Dave] It's inspiring to
hear that you're doing that because when I was
younger and did not have financial wisdom, I didn't
do any of that stuff. It was only when I had some
really serious health problems, that I said, I'm putting
20% into my own biology. - [Tony] Yeah, that's awesome. - [Dave] Into personal development and having made the six million dollars, I looked at a friend and I said, you know, I'll be happy when
I have 10 million dollars. (laughs) It was such an asshole thing to say, but this is a friend at the same company. Everyone was driving a BMW, we'd all made at least a million dollars, but it was one of those
things where I still hadn't gone on vacation in a long time. I wasn't taking the
basic self-care things, because you get caught up in that. What's the Tony Robbins hack
for not getting caught up in that, that greed mindset? - [Tony] I don't know, I
think everybody's different. I've never really been
driven by the economics. I know that sounds crazy, because I've done well financially, but it's never been my gig. My gig, I love having quality things. I admire and respect people
who have quality craftsmanship and things of that nature, but it's always been about people for me. It's always been my
mission and I think people that get into business just
to make money, you can make money, but rarely do you if you're just doing it to make money. I know it's not for you, Dave. You've lived this life of
trying to find answers for yourself and you spread
them to other people. I've lived this life looking
for answers for myself and spread them to other people. I think in the beginning
you don't make money in business anyway, all the
money goes back into it. So unless, it's a passion project. Unless it's truly a mission,
it's hard to do extremely well. So, my hack for that is to get
around, is give money away. You know, I did a whole
chapter, as you know in the book Unshakeable, to show
people the science of this. That what actually gives you joy-- When people say, you know,
money doesn't give you joy. They don't know where to shop. Because as you said
earlier, if you buy things, they have a very limited
time period of enjoyment. It's different every thing, but you know, usually six months, a year
into something that was new and gorgeous, you don't
have the same feelings for. But the thing that
lasts more for enjoyment is experiences, as you already noted. Experiences live with us, they
can live with us for decades. And they really, especially
if it's a transformative experience, but the most valuable thing, it's even more than experiences is giving. Because they've shown-- You know, today, they use technology, where they can read the
biochemical changes in you minute to minute by monitoring your saliva and what's happening in your biochemistry. You know, there are
transformations that happen, when you give, you know, when
you're not giving to get. I'm not talking about a trade, you know. When people give and they
don't get, they're mad. That was just a trade. There's nothing wrong with trading, but it's not going to make you happy. But when you give, like, they did studies where somebody buys
coffee, they spend 20 bucks for the next three people
in line at Starbucks. Which I hope 20 bucks covers, I don't know if it really does
anymore, but the point is, the joy they get of buying
this for these total strangers. Just 20 bucks, will
usually last multiple days. Whereas, the thing you
buy, you might get a hit when you back in the car or
something again for a few days, but it doesn't have the same
lasting capacity for that. And it can be with small amounts of money, much less big amounts of money. I mean, in my own life today,
the goals that excite me, you know, are not-- I'm fortunate enough, I've got a plane. I'm going to get another
plane, that stuff. That part doesn't do it for me, what does it for me, I want
to feed a billion people. You know, a billion meals and
now I'm doing a next prize to have a billion people around
the world paid sustainably. You know, I'm providing
250,000 people a day in India, I'm going to
get it to a million. You know, it's saving lives everyday. These kids die of water-born deceases. It's so easy to solve, you know. I freed 1,500 girls, I'm
going to free 10,000, but over the last three years
alone, 1,500 from slavery. There are more kids in slavery today and more adults in slavery
today than any time in history. Smaller percentage, but a
larger number of people. When I've been able to, you know, I've gone undercover and done that and seen that I can use my resources to take these children
that were tied to a bed, forced to do unmentionable
things and now they're free. I mean, I have a plane,
so I'm conscious, okay I'm flying a plane, I've
got a carbon footprint. So, I did my homework,
say how much is that. How many trees do I need
to plant to balance it, so that I can do what I did in the last, you know, it's been six and a half weeks I went to 15 cities in eight countries. Come, North America, South America, you know, like Vancouver down to Brazil, back to Vegas, over to Scotland one day, Italy the next day,
Russia for 26,000 people, next day Serbia (inaudible) the next day, 20 hour flight down to
Australia for another big event. I couldn't do that without a private plane in that time period, so it's
like 3,000 trees is all it takes, so I planted five million. I'm planting 100 million trees. I'm more excited about these things than any toy you could give me and I know that when people taste this, when they have an experience of this. I know it sounds bullshit. It'll change you. But the reason I'm able to do
it is because I'd give a dime out of a dollar when I
had no money, I gave. If you don't give a dime out of a dollar, you're not going to give 10
million out a 100 million, or a 100 million out of a billion. Not in a trillion years,
you're not going to do it. So, people hear this stuff and they go, oh yeah that's great,
but you're doing well. I'm doing well because I did this. I did this when I had no money. I took all the money I had
and gave it to somebody and it was one of those days
when I just was inspired. I was touched by it. It was actually an interesting experience. I was struggling in my business. You know business well enough to know, most guys and ladies, overestimate what they'll do in the first year and they underestimate what they can do in a decade or two,
like you and I have done. But it's like, I remember
I was so frustrated, you know, nothing's working and it's midnight, I was
driving down the 57 freeway in the middle of the night
in this area near Pomona, not a nice area, and I
was like, what's wrong. I pulled over to the side of the road and I kept these physical journals, I still have the journal. I wrote on one page, the
secret to living is giving and I just started crying. And I realize, when I started
it, it was all about giving, but then I got frustrated, I
got caught up in the business stuff and I wasn't really tied to that. So that started me on a change. And the, I was still struggling though and I remember about, I don't know, maybe about three months
later, I was in Venice, where I lived and I lived
in this 400 square foot bachelor apartment and I was sitting there feeling sorry for myself
and reading, you know, watching TV and then looking
at my bills and going holy shit, I have not money to pay my rent and I had, I don't know,
21 bucks I think it was. So, I left my car, because
I wasn't going to pay to, pay for parking,
and I drove three miles to the this place that was on the water where they had all-you-can-eat salad bar. It was El Territo, if
you're familiar with it. - Oh yeah.
- It's like tacos and all that shit, I figure, I'm going
to load up for the winter here, right, you know. So I go in this place and I'm loading up, eating tacos, burritos, salad. I'm just loading up, I
think it was like $5.95. I figure I could probably make it here like three more times,
you know, as long as I don't spend any money on gas. This beautiful woman walked through and I couldn't help notice, she was gorgeous, but then I was waiting to
see the guy she was with. And I looked and the
head of the guy was down at her waist, it was clearly her son. He was, I don't know,
probably nine years old, something like that, probably
in the fourth, fifth grade. He wore this three-piece suit and tie and he held the door open for his mom and then he went over, I'll never forget, he pulled the chair out for
her and he stared into her eyes and he was giving
her so much presence. Something about it just deeply moved me. So, I got up and I paid
the bill, you know. So, if I had 21 bucks, or
whatever, I had 15, 16, 14 dollars left, whatever it was and I walked up to this little boy. I didn't look at his mom and I just said, I just wanted to meet you, my name's Tony. My name's Charlie he says and I said, Charlie, I said, tell me something. I said, I just want you to
know, I see you're a class act. Who taught you to do that. I saw you hold the door for your lady and pulled out the chair for her and you know, taking her
out for lunch like this. And he goes, well she's my mom. (laughs) I said, that's even more impressive. He goes, no, but I don't have a job yet. He's like, I can't take her to lunch. And I didn't have a plan to do this, I just instantly said, yes you can. And I reach in my pocket,
I took all the money I had in the world, being 16,
17 bucks, whatever it was. Slammed it down on the
table, change and all. He looked at me, his
eyes were are like giant like garbage can pales, I'll never forget and he smiled at me
and goes, what is this? I said, that's for you. He goes, I can't take this. I said, yes, you can. He said, how come. I said, because I'm bigger than you are. And he just giggled like crazy and then, I wasn't doing it for the woman. I just shook his hand and I walked out. But I didn't walk out,
I like skipped home. I know I probably looked
like a total dork. Because you know, my car wasn't there, but I was like, I had
no fear, I had no worry. It was the first time in my
life when I was beyond scarcity. I remember I went home,
had no plan to figure out what to do the next day to eat. I went to sleep happy as a clam. I was euphoric and I
couldn't figure out why. I woke up the next morning and it hit me, I don't have any money,
I don't have any food. But you know, I got food in me. I could fast for a few days. I can go back to the restaurant, I got my whole plan going
and then the snail mail came. You know, the old-fashioned mail. Because there wasn't the
internet in those days. A guy that I'd been
chasing for six months. When he had no money, I
loaned him a thousand bucks and it was a huge amount
of money for me then. He didn't even answer my phone calls and I open this letter and it's from him. Apologizing and gave me 1,200
bucks, interest as well. In those days, that would
have kept me going for three weeks, right, or a month. So, and I'm reading this letter and got this check and
then I just started to cry. But it was not sad tears,
it was beautiful tears. It was a day I will never
forget as long as I live, because I though to myself,
what does this mean? And I don't know if it's true, but I decided, what this means is I was rewarded because I didn't do things for stars on my chart. I didn't do it for acknowledgement. I didn't do it because I had the money. I did it because I knew it was right. I did it with no fear and
I can honestly tell you, I actually have 54 companies now. We do six billion in business, but along the way it
wasn't all an easy task and I can remember being near
bankruptcy multiple times, but I never went to that place
of fear again since that day. Not because I didn't have challenges. Just like, once you give it all, you know when you have nothing, and you realize there's more than enough. It changes you permanently. I say to anybody who's listening, one of the most powerful
changes you can make, is to give now, not to wait. Give some gift that's so effing big. I remember I came up with this idea. I was supposed to speak at
this high school in Houston, or this grade school in Houston. They'd been using my material
for a year at every grade. Kindergarten, first grade, second grade, all the way up to sixth grade. The six graders would only
be able to do it for a year. The other kids were going to
get it for multiple years. I just on the spot said, you know what, I want you all to go to
college, if you want to. So, I will pay for your college education for every one of you. There was 75 kids there and I said, as long as you keep a
B average and I'll help you get a mentor to do that and as long as you give me 25
hours of community service. I didn't go to college,
but I wanted them to have the compelling future going to college. I knew that if I could
get them to stop being people trying to get from other people, but someone's who's there to give that would change them even more. I lost half of them the first year because their parents
objected, single moms, to their kids having to
do any community service. - Wow.
- If you can believe that. The balance, I kept 98%
of them, I only lost two all the way through
college and some of them are now, you know, doctors and lawyers. A couple others of them
have their own businesses. It's just beautiful to see, but again when I did it and I
committed, I wrote a contract and everything else, I
didn't have the money. So, this is like, this is
a pretty big commitment. But then, because I committed
to it, the money showed up and I found that to be true. That's how you create a life as opposed to manage a life, per say. That's what I believe most
entrepreneurs do anyway. - [Dave] That is, it's profound. At the beginning of
that you mentioned that if you're in business with
the goal of making money that you're probably not
going to do a very good job of it and I might add, you probably won't like your life while
you're doing it either. - [Tony] I totally agree, totally agree. - [Dave] And I wish someone
had told me that when I was 20. That would have been helpful. I finally got it, I
was maybe a little slow to understand that, but I
didn't start Bulletproof as anything other than a blog to share the stuff that I wished
someone had told me. No idea, it would turn into
the company it has today. - [Tony] Passion project, beautiful. - [Dave] Yeah, happy to make it happen. - [Tony] Well, congrats, brother. - [Dave] Tony, throughout
your life, you've, at least all the stories you tell you have like a sparkle in your eye. You have this just
ebullient energy of joy. You talk about times
when you've turned it on at various points and I know because I've seen you backstage. You are very conscious
about managing your energy. More so than probably 99.999% of humans. You just talked about that
crazy travel schedule. It helps to have a private jet of course. - Of course.
- But even then, that beats the crap out
of you biologically. What do you do to maintain
that level of energy? To be on stage jumping for 14 hours a day and hop on a plane and
do it again the next day? Give me some of your bio hacks here. Everyone wants to know.
- Oh God, I have so many. You know, you and I share some of them. - [Dave] Oh yeah. - [Tony] As well as devices that we use, but I have a group that I work with. I've had the privilege of
working with a lot of Olympic athletes and, you know, some
of the greatest on earth. As a result, I've gotten
hooked up with the best trainers and with the
best people to measure. There's a group of doctors
that's based out of Tampa that work with a lot of
these top Olympic athletes and I have them come and
measure me about a year ago. And it was there, they had
this device that they put on your chest that's the
most advanced of its type in the world, it's like $65,000 and it measures everything. Heart rate variability, acceleration at a level that's so precise. And it's giant. So I had this on my
chest for the four days. On the first day, I
looked out at them after, I don't know, two, three hours in and their eyes are like this
big, like garbage can covers. Is everything okay? They go, "It's okay, we've just never seen anything like this in our life. So, in the end, they
told me I burned 11,300 calories in nine hours. Now to give you an idea, I went
12 hours, the battery died, so it didn't measure the
last three hours on me. And he was explaining to me, I said, how is that possible? He said, that's two and a half marathons back to back at a run/walk pace. He said, Tony, you know,
it's not just you running up the building and running around. He said, the minute you got ready, when you were beginning
your calorie intake exploded from the way you use your mind. - Yeah.
- Your mind could change it as well, so that' the first. Second thing they found was that I jumped over a thousand times in one
day, in those nine hours. I did more than that because it was hours. And he explained to me, I'm 282 pounds, so every time you come down is four times your body weight at impact. So, he said, Tony, you
have a thousand pounds at a thousand time, that's a
million pounds of pressure. So, they went and did
my bone density and they showed me the chart and they go, this is humans, this is Olympic athletes, this is something we've never measured on earth, called your body. He goes, a million pounds
of pressure every day has put a level of demand that
has made my bones so effing strong and thick, I've never
broken a bone in my life. You know from being an athlete that when you run, if
you run with a friend, there's a point if you're
running fast enough where you can't speak anymore
because you build up lactate. Once lactate gets to
four, you can't speak. - [Dave] Right. - [Tony] I was nine hours into it and my lactate was 12
and I was still speaking. So, I tell you that as a background to, what I put this body through-- What they wrote at the
end of the report is 99% of the people would be in the hospital or dead at the end of this process. And that was one day of
the multiple day program. So, I have all these hacks. Some of my favorites, you
know, again you're familiar with some of these as well because you and I have shared these before. But I think that from the standpoint of, you look at your body and
figure out what do you need. One of the biggest breakdowns
in your body is inflammation, as we all know.
- Yep. - [Tony] Inflammation is
where everything starts, the breakdown starts, so I'm a very big proponent of cryotherapy. You know I put my body in
minus 240 degree Fahrenheit temperatures and in
three minutes I'm there. When I was a football player, you know, I'd load myself up with
ice every 20 minutes. It burned like hell, you
know, took me an hour, hour and a half to get everything working. In three minutes you're done.
- Yeah. - [Tony] And now as you know, you can go to so many locations
where they have them. You don't have to own one, you can pop in. I'm fortunate enough to own one myself, but I do that three times a week. During an event, I do it each day. To take that inflammation down because the demands, inflammation is huge. I have a PMF machine. There are many on the market, but I have one that's solid state. And if you're not familiar with it, it's a electronic, magnetic frequency that is put into your body by this device. In Germany, they use it
to destroy cancer cells because healthy cells have 80 micro bolts and they have a thick outer cell. Cancer cells, because they're
multiplying so rapidly, have a very thin outer
cell and they're only 20 micro bolts and so when
this electricity hits it, it literally explodes them,
so it's used for that. In this country, it's used in order to put voltage into the cells. And you and I both know,
the quality of life is the quality and health of your cells. They also make up the
organs, make up the systems, makes up your body, so it
literally puts the voltage in. Now there's a lot of
PMF machines out there. Some are really weak,
some are really strong and it will jolt the hell out of you. But the one I work with is a
group out of Atlanta, Georgia and they're the only ones that I know of that make a solid state
and it's phenomenal. But I take one on the road. - [Dave] They've been on
Bulletproof Radio before. I've got one behind me here as well. - [Tony] Perfect, perfect. - Yeah, yeah Pulse Centers.
- I'm blanking on the name of the company, what's
the name of the company? - Pulse Centers.
- That's right Pulse Centers. They do a fantastic job and then thirdly, I have a
hyperbaric oxygen machine, (inaudible) glass, I have it
in my home to give you an idea. I do that, I do groups of 40 hours. You know I turn on a TV program and I watch and I go for 45 minutes. I've got a protocol
that I do that gives me that kind of strength.
- I've got the soft chamber back there, I don't know if you can see it on my camera. - [Tony] Oh, that's awesome. - [Dave] And my hard chamber's downstairs. So, Tony, I love it man and
I know you have more toys than I do, but I want
the audience to hear. You kick ass, but it's conscious. What else do you have going on. It's not just an accident,
you are a freak of nature, but you're an amplified
freak of nature consciously. That's the mindset that's so valuable. What else are you doing that the audience would just want to know about? - [Tony] I think, I
think you're well aware that I've always, even
before I had cryotherapy, I have cold punches in all my homes. The first thing I do in the morning is I go in 56 degree water. When I'm at my home in Sun Valley, I go right into the
river, which is you know, usually about 38 degrees. You cannot believe the
difference in your body. It feels horrible to get in. There's never a day where
I go, I can't wait to jump in this cold-ass, freezing water. Never a day, but I don't
negotiate with myself. It's not only a health issue, it's also teaching my brain that
when I say go, we go. I don't negotiate with
myself, so I do that as well. I have, I do a variety of
different types of body work. I take chiropractor with me on the road, to give you an idea. So I'm just, I look at any tool-- You know, I trained with a Vasper, I think you have a Vasper as well. - Yeah, yeah.
- But I also use, oxygen deprevation, so that--
- Beautiful. - [Tony] You know, on all
the hills I have no oxygen. So, you know, they did
all those test that I told you about and then four months later I went and did it again
after doing my new regiment of workouts and Osteo Strong
is part of that as well, to build muscle and I
had 20% greater output with the same, you know, heart demands. So you know, I'm continually
saying, how do I make it stronger and I'm 58 years
old and I'm stronger. I can lift more, I can run faster, I have greater stability
in my back and spine. Better flexibility than
I did when I was 26 and in pain every day of my life. So, I'm always looking for answers and I do stem cells.
- Oh yeah. - [Tony] I do cord stem
cells three times a year. - Oh yeah.
- You know Bob Perarri is my partner in Cellularity
and we raised a quarter of a billion dollars
to start that company. - Love Bob.
- He is the number one genius in the world in that area
and we're very excited about the breakthroughs that
we're bringing in that area. Because, I just got back from the Vatican, where we had the Rejuvenative
Health Conference there. I was the clean-up speaker,
so I got to be there for the whole training and
there are things happening right now, again, that you
would think would happen three, four, five years, excuse me, 30 or 40 or 50 years from now that are happening in the next three
or four or five years. They're already in phase
two and phase three trials of the FDA, so there's
some exciting stuff coming. - [Dave] You know Tony, that
Vatican trip you were on with Peo Deomantis, I was scheduled to go, but it conflicted with my
daughter's 10th birthday, or maybe it was my son's birthday. Whatever it was, but I
missed it for a birthday. And I missed one of your big events for another kid's birthday. I tell you man, that
sounded like the most epic thing ever to be able to spend a week working with the top
stem cell people and all. Because I know that you're
dialed in on that stuff and for all of the listeners right now, you know, Tony and I
both spend large amounts of money on this stuff. I believe it's the most important
investment you can make. Even if you read Unshakeable,
if you're feeling like crap all the time, you're in
pain, as you and I both were as young men.
- Yep. - [Dave] You can't put a
price on removing that pain, but in mind, if you take the
money that would have gone into your risk bucket
and you put it into your biology bucket until
you're at at least minimum acceptable performance, I
think you're doing it wrong. Would you agree with that. - [Tony] I would agree,
but I don't think you have to choose.
- Okay. - [Tony] I think we all have this mindset that says I can only do so much. What I tell people is,
whatever you take off the top and automate, you'll forget
about and you'll adjust. And if you're an entrepreneur,
you'll make more. You'll figure it out. Kim Blanchard was, you know,
every influential in my life in one of the core decisions I made, which was, I remember
when I was just coming out with my first book Unlimited Power and I was coming out with
my first infomercial. And you know, I'm a new
business man and I'm building my company and Kim
came to me and said two things. First he said, how the hell
do you run your company. He goes, I speak for an
hour, you speak for 50 hours in a weekend and I said, I'm not doing a good job of it. He said, you've got to
get somebody who can really run this thing for you and then the next thing he said to me is, don't put a dime of the
money that's coming from those books into the company. He said, this is what was taught to me. He said get all the leads for the company, but don't put dime in it. Put all that money in
an investment account that you don't touch. And he said because
whatever amount of cash you have for the business,
the business will take it. And I found that to be absolutely true in a growing business. So you have to mark it out. And when the business had tough times, I had plenty of money,
it was a good shape. Similarly, I think, putting
money aside or having investment aside for things
that make you feel or stronger. There is no greater investment. But it shouldn't be either or. You can still make it happen. You need to make these
things a must, not a should. When it's a must, it's like
people who work out five days a week, it's like, they
don't have more time. It's just that it's a must to work out. For other people it's a should. And if you make it a must
take care of your body and a must to keep growing financially you can get to amazing places, you know. Most people, the numbers get so big, they don't get started, but you know, what I try to get people across. We all know compound interest. You can rattle off statistics, but usually if you can get
a kid to understand this it changes their life. I got to take kids that are 19 years old and say, look put aside 300 bucks a month. I know it seems like a lot
at what you're earning, but right now you don't
have a lot of overhead. Put it aside and just
do that for eight years. From 19 to 27 years old. Put it in the stock market
and forget about it. You know, the average return for the last, you know century has been 10%, but the last 20 years it's been 8%. Let's assume an 8% growth pattern, that person's going to put
in $28,000 over eight years. That's all they're ever going to invest. Then they're going to stop at 27. They'll have 1.8 million
dollars at retirement. If (inaudible) starts later, starts at 27 and goes all the way to
60 with 300 bucks a year and gets the same rate of return, he ends up with 400,000
less money and he has to invest for a lifetime,
he invests $140,000. So it doesn't take a lot of money to become financially free or successful. What it takes is a little time and absolute consistency and I
think health is the same thing. If you're going to try and
suddenly do one big thing to save your health,
it's not going to work. What I'm doing is I'm
consistently doing the things that will make the greatest difference in the quality of my life
and it's my mission to serve, so I've got to take care of this vehicle because otherwise, but I
don't care of their body nothing else works. - [Dave] What do you say to
one of your hundred million dollar plus kind of personal
clients who walks in the door 40 pounds overweight and with a limp. What's the first thing you say to them? - [Tony] Well, if they're
coming to me, depends on-- I don't say, I listen. I found out why they're here. Because talking will be
what I think should be done. I need to hear what they want.
- Right. - [Tony] So, I spend most
of my time asking questions. You know, somebody actually
went in a session with me recently and they counted,
this person stood up to ask me a question and
I asked 167 questions before I gave my first answer.
- Wow. - 167.
- That's beautiful. - [Tony] I knew so much about the person. How they think, what they feel, before I intervened and then
when I could intervene, it doesn't take long to intervene because I know how their brain is set up, I know what they want,
I know what they fear. You know I always say, life is the dance between what you desire
most and what you fear most. That's where people live. So, if I can expand your
desire and reduce your fear, we get to enrich in your life massively. Expand the depth and the
breadth of your life. And so, pretty much
that's what I'm looking for when I'm going intervene. But I don't look at
anybody that's overweight who's coming in just for money and let them just know about money. I make sure, if they're
asking for permission or they're asking for my coaching, I always tell them look, if
you don't take care of this-- You know, a person who's got
health has a million goals. - Yeah.
- A million. - [Tony] A person who's ill
has one effing goal, right. Get well, I don't care
how much money they have. So, you don't want to be
richest man in the graveyard, is not your goal, right. You got to take care of yourself. - [Dave] Yeah, I always feel a little sad. I've had the opportunity like you, to address rooms of very successful people and the number of wealthy
people 10 years ago who would say, I've done my blood work. It was no one in the room. I have an annual check-up once a year. You know, they hit my knee with a hammer and I must be good and now you go in and I would say 90% of
the room of successful people, they're people who
are actively getting data and taking, they're trying
to manage their health like their portfolio and
I'm really inspired by that because when we get the people
who are captains of industry. Guys like you who understand
the things that you understand, we will make investments. We'll do things for our employees that have that same kind of an effect. And I think what we're
going to see is a big change in feeding the world, but
not just feeding the world, it's feeding the world the right things. - [Tony] I agree and I think
you're going to see such a different in the quality of
people's lives as that occurs. There's also some tools coming out. Are you familiar with
Samumed in San Diego? - [Dave] No. - [Tony] So, while I was in the Vatican. You got to know about this,
because you'll spread this and your listeners will as well. You know, I watched miracle after miracle. People get up there that
were Stage IV cancer and you know, the old approach to cancer was to kill every cell. You hope to kill more bad
cells than good cells, but as you know, radiation and
the approach of chemotherapy is the pretty brutal approach. I think we're going to
look back on this stage, it'll look like bloodletting at one point, is the best that we knew. So nobody's doing anything wrong, it's just the best that we knew. But, so you see these
breakthroughs in like card-t cells breakthroughs,
where people are sent home to die and they're totally healthy now. You see these kids with
like floppy spines, where you know, these
kids can't lift their head or their neck as babies
and they usually die within six months of suffocation
and then a six year old walks out, was given stem cells and
is totally healthy, right. - Yeah.
- And there's not a dry eye in the place, but out of all
the cool stuff that I saw that was there and people I got to meet, the one that blew me away the most were the people that
understood the WNT pathway. Are you familiar with
the WNT, W-N-T Pathway? - [Dave] Absolutely, I
take some herbs for it. - [Tony] Great, so the WNT
Pathway, for your listeners, is the holy grail to the body. So, I'll give you an example. Bob Herrari, my partner,
is a neurosurgeon. He's the top stem cell
expert in the world. If you read the studies
that stem cells came out of, it came from him almost 30 years ago where he took old rats and
gave them young rat's blood and they grew new muscle, new hair. He took the old rat's blood,
put it in the young rats and they got old, basically. So, in the beginning it
sounded kind of creepy. Like, are rich people going
to get young people and feed off their blood.
- Right, right. - [Tony] But what it
led to was understanding what stem cells are and what they do. So, Bob was explaining to me, you know, stem cells are not
equal, as you well know. You know, you can go get adipost, which is available in
the US, which is skin. And you know, they'll
take them out of you, but your stem cells drop off
the earth when you're about 30 and they keep going down
further and further. So, you're getting old stem cells. If you do bone marrow,
it's pretty damn invasive to say the least.
- Oh, yeah, I've done it twice.
- And yeah, and really, really painful and then the
best that's available right now you can only get it outside the country, which is, you can go
and get cord stem cells. They're 10 days old. So, instead of, you know, I'm 58. Instead of 58 year old stem cells, they're 10 days old, they're
100 times more powerful and they use machine learning
to find the very best. Bob was saying, but here's what's amazing. The placenta, which is the
basis that he's building our new company on is the most powerful of all both stem cells and growth hormones. So, there's never been a time in history when a mother who is cancerous
has transferred her cancer to the baby, because that's
how powerful the placenta is. - Right.
- Literally not even cancer can penetrate it, right. And when Bob sees as a client, a baby. A fetus that has got spinal bifida, where the spine is outside the skin. If it's born that way, it'll
die or it will be paralyzed for life, so Bob will
go in the mother's womb. While she's pregnant, open the womb, take out the baby, the
fetus, sew up it's back, put it back in, sew back up the placenta. Eight weeks later the
baby's born and there's no evidence whatsoever
there was ever a surgery. There's no scar, there's no nothing. If a baby is born in the
first two to 10 days, and it depends on the
baby, and it chops off a finger or two, they grow
back like a salamander. Because you still have
those fetal stem cells. Now, all of this is a
background to tell you that once those are gone,
everything you call you is stem cells grown by
a signaling pathway, which is the WNT or the
WNT Signaling Pathway. It tells your brain and
your nervous system, make this many brain stem cells, make this many heart stem cells. When to start building them,
when to stop building them. It is the system that the
pharmaceutical industry has spent a quarter of a century trying to find the breakthroughs to. A pharmaceutical company
partnered with this brilliant group of researchers and
then they bought a very large company and decided, oh to hell with it. We're not going to continue down this line and nine months after they
stopped being partners, this group figured out
the stem cell component. And so here's what it does. They have an injection right now. These things are in Phase II. So people know, Phase I is to
make sure something is safe in the FDA, Phase II is efficacy. You can have Phase II, A and B. And then Phase III is efficacy at scale. So most things that I'm going to tell you are either in Phase II
or in Phase III trials, which means, they're two and a half or three years away roughly. So, they have an injection right
now that they can give you. This blows my mind even
to mention this, Dave. And if you have
osteoarthritis, it will grow back your tendons in 12 weeks. One time, one injection. Naturally, your own stem cells because they know how to signal that signaling element and the tendons you get are young tendons, they're
not 40 or 50 year old tendons. So, these guys, you know these
guys all own the company. They all play football and everything else and all have had injections in the knees. It's like cocoon, like
all these old people getting young again, it's so wild. They have an injection,
that I can't wait to get access to--
- Oh yeah. - That they can put in your
spine and it regrows your discs. Can you imagine all the
demands I've made in that area. They have eight cancers that
they have a track record on that's unbelievable,
including like breast cancer, testicular cancer, most importantly, pro-- Not prostate, um, what's
the one for your sugar, for your bloodstream, uh--
- Pancreas. - Pancreas, pancreatic cancer, which is, as you know, the most
(inaudible) cancer of all. - Steve Jobs cancer, yeah. - [Tony] You basically die, is the bottom way that people look at it. 97.2% effectiveness with one tablet that the person takes and it's gone. I met a woman, they showed
me a picture afterwards, I could not believe it. She looked like a woman out of Auschwitz, literally bones and I met her, she looked gorgeous and
three months after they started this process
showed the pictures of her become normalized and now
she not only has no cancer, but she's dating, it's just wild. - Wow.
- They have one that grows, what do you call it, in your skin. - Collagen.
- Collagen, thank you. One that grows hair and then
they've got two that are pre-clinical, so they're
only being done in rats, but every animal they
tested has a WNT Pathway. When you normally test
something in animals, you hope it'll happen with humans. Everything they've tested with animals has worked with humans so far, but they're doing things
with the spine and the brain in that area that they
have not published yet, so I can't talk about it,
but what I can tell you is very exciting for dementia. Very exciting for those
that are paralyzed. When I say exciting, like
beyond your imagination. So, everything I've told you
up until the pre-clinical is already happening as we speak. And is in Phase II and Phase III trials. This company is one of
the most highly valued private companies in the world. They have a 13 billion dollar valuation. They haven't sold one product yet. And they didn't publish
anything until that conference. So a lot of doctors are
like, oh this is BS. And then they start showing the data and it blew them away and they're like, why didn't you post this before. They said, because we wanted a ten year jump on everybody, because
they're business men as well. So, they're publishing this year. I think it's 38 articles
in various medical journals showing how all this works. It's very exciting. It's like if you just take
care of yourself for the next few years, there's
going to be some tools out there that are
beyond your imagination. - [Dave] This is why,
I've been telling people, I realistically plan to live
to at least 180 years old, because I know that
stuff is in the pipeline and I know we can do 120
with what we've got now. I don't think I'm being conservative, but it makes people think I'm nuts. Tony, what's your goal?
- I think the most important thing is the quality of your life, right? That's how I look at it.
- Oh yeah. - How long we live--
- Oh yeah, who wants to live-- Yeah.
- We don't really control, but how we live and to be
able to replace parts and grow them fresh, is
just a miraculous thought. It's not a thought
anymore, it's a reality. - [Dave] Do you have a length of time that you think you're going
to live that's realistic, assuming nothing unforeseen happens? - [Tony] You know, I think
in terms of 100 years is a good, long natural life. I mean, 120 might be an extended life that will be very possible
with the tools that are coming. But I'm more obsessed
with being fully alive while I'm here.
- Oh yeah. - [Tony] Have full
functioning while I'm here and peak performance while I'm here. Because I think, the
only thing real is today. So I want to protect
tomorrow, but I'm not vested in like a certain age.
- Right. - [Tony] I don't want to be 200 years old or something like that. But you know, if technology
offers me it, I think great. But I think, there's an old-- Ray Cursewell told me
an old story years ago. It's really cool to give an example. You know, Ray is one of
the greatest inventors of all time.
- Yeah. - [Tony] He was telling me about some of these tools that he had just built. I remember he told me he was
going to build this tool, the size of a pack of cigarettes. You know, in those days we
didn't have a cell phone. He said, it's going to
be able to read signs and read, you know, the menu, so a blind person can truly navigate. And he literally told me
he'd built it in 12 years. He didn't know how, he
just knew the technology would make it possible by then. And he did it six months
earlier than he said. - Nice.
- So, he's just a genius, genius guy, but the
reason I bring it up is, when you talk about if we
really could live forever would everybody?
- Probably not. - [Tony] And I don't think so. I remember when we were at
the conference, you know, at the Vatican, we hung out
with the Pope and we had some really cool conversations
with a lot of brilliant minds, but I remember Peter DiaMontes saying how many of you want
to live to be 120, 130, 140? Very few people raised their hand. And so, I was saying to Peter, it's like this old story that he told me. There was an old Twilight
Zone and Ray Dalio was telling me, I didn't see
it, but he told me the story. Not Ray Dalio, Ray Cursewell. And he said to me, in this particular one, this guy's a gambler and he dies. And as a gambler where's
heaven, it's Las Vegas. And if you're really a great gambler, you would of course get the
presidential suite at the Wynn. And so, he says, you know the
guy wakes up from this thing and he's at the top of
the most expensive hotel and he's like I'm in
heaven, heaven is Vegas. And he opens up the dresser drawers and he sees brand new suits. He puts one on, he opens the
drawers and there's all this jewelry and cash and credit cards. He goes downstairs and
every woman notices him. He goes and he plays blackjack. 21 you win, 21 you win. Ten times in a row he wins. He goes over and rolls the dice at craps, Seven, you win, seven you win. And this goes on all day, all night. He is euphoric. He goes home, not alone. You know, fully happy with
the women that he's with. Wakes up the next morning,
does the same thing again. This goes on for about two weeks. One day he's at the table and they go, blackjack you win, he
goes, I always effing win. This is, I'm tired of this, he says, I want to talk to the main angel. Something's wrong here
and the main angel comes and he's dressed like,
you know, suit and tie, bow tie, tuxedo rather and
he comes up and he says, can I help you, sir. He goes, there's a mistake
here, I was not a good person. I did not belong in heaven. And the man looks at him and says, who said you're in heaven. If we got everything
we wanted every moment, you know, would we really value it. If we had life eternally,
would we really value it. So, I don't think we're
going to have eternal life just yet, but I think we're
going to have a chance to extend the quality of
our lives and that is something I'm obsessed about because energy is life and if we can
have more healthy energy, we have more love to
share, more joy to share, more things we can create,
more things we can give. Life is a miraculous place. - [Dave] You've lived that, Tony. And I've got one more question for you. - Sure, sure of course.
- To wrap up the interview. Someone comes to you tomorrow, they said, Tony based on everything you know, everything you've done,
I want to perform better at everything I do as a human being, what are your three most
important pieces of advice. Only three. - [Tony] Number one is, why. Because while they're
feeling this right now, they're not going to
feel it when they bump into all the things that
are going to get in the way to achieve what they want. You've got to have strong enough reasons and they've usually got
to be reasons larger than yourself.
- Yeah. - Most of us will do others we love than we'll ever do for ourselves. So there has to be a mission to this. Otherwise what you just
told me is bullshit, it's not going to happen. Two is, you need to find a role model. Now, they may not be
doing what you're doing, but they may have done more
than what you want to do. They may have done something similar, but you need something
that shows you a pathway that can save you time because if you're going to learn
just by trial and error, you're going to have,
it could be a long time. I'm a big believer in
compressing decades into days. I would access, for whatever
it is I wanted to master. It's what I do, the very best in the world and I find a way to add value to them, so they'd open up to me. But even if I couldn't do
that, the world that we live in today with blogs and
posts and social media, you can pretty much model
anybody's psychology who has any, who's any kind
of thought leader today because there's so much to
read or learn from them. I say the third thing is, you know, if you got this true mission
and you really have a good outline or a plan you've
got to stay fully awake and alive to are you adding value enough in this current
moment, in this environment, to whatever you're doing. If you're constantly
finding a way to add value, you're going to be innovating. If you're innovating, you're
going to be doing more for others than anybody else. If you're doing more for
others than anybody else, you're not going to have
to worry about prospering. So, I'd say get strong enough reasons, get a role model and get your ass to work. (laughs) - [Dave] I love it. What powerful advice. Tony, it's always a pleasure
to get to spend time with you. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with Bulletproof Radio
listeners and with the world. You're doing good work
and for people listening, pick up a copy of Unshakeable. Help feed a bunch of
families and learn something really useful about how to get wealthy, because having enough money
to take care of your biology and those around you is truly a gift. Thank you, Tony. - [Tony] Thank you, brother,
great to see you again. Take care. (dramatic music)